Is Gambit Finished? | Destiny 2 Discussion

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This video is largely in response to Luke Smith's mention of Gambit in the Director's Cut part I ( ) wherein Luke Stated that only one of the Gambit modes will be their focus for future refinements. Since I think the "highlander of Gambits" is a debatable topic only if we choose to willfully ignore the reasons snowballing is a problem, I tried to state my case for how Gambit Prime's design direction took a few wrong turns. To summarize it:
The changes made for Gambit prime are misguided enough that anything short of an overhaul to them will still likely detract from the overall gambit experience. As such, Gambit is a better mode, simply because it makes fewer mistakes. Additionally, there are longstanding issues in both modes - largely stemming from the ammo economy - which neither mode has meaningfully addressed.
I would go as far as to say that, from a design standpoint, Gambit Prime is the objectively inferior mode despite having some value in its increased sophistication. Ultimate takeaway depends on what level of commitment Bungie has to gambit as a mode. Also, just as a disclaimer, I still think the game mode is awesome at its core and does a fantastic job of combining multiple elements of what make Destiny unique into one playable experience. Needs a lot of polish, though.
Anyhow, share your thoughts with me here or on Twitch or Twitter. I'll try to release a video soon outlining what I would personally like to see Gambit turn into.
Thanks for your time!
Slayer 😘

  • I love how this for the most part is still applicable in the beyond light gambit

    Cheese CookieCheese Cookie3 օր առաջ
  • i feel like primevals have way too much health

    gibbygibbyԱմիս առաջ
  • Invaders should be restricted to primaries and secondaries, maybe even given an invasion weapon that bungie has specifically designed for it as soon as you go through the portal It would be cool if you could heal adds while you are invading as well, give invaders another role to fill

    Captain RexCaptain Rex3 ամիս առաջ
  • Gambit prime for me sucks end of

    David BerryDavid Berry3 ամիս առաջ
  • I feel like Gambit would be more enjoyable if the drifter wasnt such a hated fucking character

    The1stSnapThe1stSnap4 ամիս առաջ
  • Imagine if collector could hide their mote counter to invaders

    Lord SnaxxLord Snaxx4 ամիս առաջ
  • I hope its finished I hate it haha

    John FoxJohn Fox5 ամիս առաջ
  • How to improve Sentry: 1: Taken Slayer: Increase damage to all Taken, and reduce damage from Envoys and Blockers. 2: Pickup: Clearing, Reviving, or activating a Well will provide a health boost and Overshield for 15 seconds. 3: High Value: Damaging an Invader marks them, and and will take 20% more damage. 10 second duration. 4: Unwavering: Become immune to DoTs, Suppression, and Disruption while an Invader is attacking or while in the Well of Light. You will still be knocked out of supers if Suppressed while active.

    Glomo RaileyGlomo Railey6 ամիս առաջ
  • We don’t have adequate vault space to keep 4 sets of 5 armor pieces for 3 characters.... 60 pieces, not taking affinity into account.

    PhilPhil7 ամիս առաջ
  • Can i get a tl;dr? Don't have the patience to sit through a 17 min video.

    Dylan GantrichDylan Gantrich7 ամիս առաջ
  • From what I gathered from gambit and prime is that the invader mechanic is the bane of the whole mode, but it is the defining mechanic of the mode as well. That’s a tough problem to fix and make right. Edit: fixed a typo

    TylerTyler7 ամիս առաջ
  • In gambit psions people like to take all the motes even if they didn't kill it. So I just clear adds and not pick up a single mote. I save myself to clear blockers with 4th horse man, then either invade or defeat an invader with my super. I usually have my super quick since I use hands on with skull fort and code of the missile

    Lone EnvoyLone Envoy7 ամիս առաջ
  • Just don’t let invaders invade with heavy, problem solved.

    Some Body ElseSome Body Else7 ամիս առաջ
  •’s dull AF!

    Corion2121Corion21218 ամիս առաջ
  • 6 month later i can confirm no changes have been made and gambit still sucks.

    chris whitechris white8 ամիս առաջ
  • This one of the worst game modes I’ve ever seen

    yusxffbyusxffb8 ամիս առաջ
  • Move the dispenser thing to gambit P, that'll encourage ppl to wear armor

    Akimbo LetsgoAkimbo Letsgo8 ամիս առաջ
  • I thought the game mode being a lil unfair felt kinda right in the sense that it was the drifters game and we were just being used for his own personal gain...

    conflicc ricksconflicc ricks9 ամիս առաջ
  • Gambit or prime. Neither. This game mode is awful. Solo queing is impossible

    Envious AlloyEnvious Alloy10 ամիս առաջ
  • Invade is so random, a team can invade 3 consecutive times while the other team doesn't get their first portal

    Guillermo Salas RubinaGuillermo Salas Rubina11 ամիս առաջ
  • I didn't even know people still play Gambit in general

    mike cornewmike cornew11 ամիս առաջ
  • which guns were you using?

    Beu SoccerBeu SoccerՏարի առաջ
  • the crying PVE only players that hate getting shot at are on fire in this comment section. cry louder- bungie might just hear you!

    Jack woodJack woodՏարի առաջ
  • id play gambit if they removed pvp

    jojoba oiljojoba oilՏարի առաջ
  • Reaper is ment to be a support class. not saying it's good, but, from looking at the perks, that's what it was ment to be.

    lupvirgalupvirgaՏարի առաջ
  • want to see gambit perfected! Love how thorough you are.

    Isaac JohnsonIsaac JohnsonՏարի առաջ
  • My biggest problem with Gambit Prime, which you didn't even mention surprisingly, is that it essentially forces you to grind Reckoning to get better gear, which in and of itself is not a fun mode IMO. The difficulty is way too high for the rewards and the matchmaking is pretty broken. I'm not going to grind out a game mode that I don't find that fun to play another game mode that to me has lost much of its allure when it first became a thing. At least with regular Gambit, you can quickly get in and out with not a lot of hassle and you know things are going to be fairly balanced, bc there's no additional armor bonuses to worry about.

    sjshady0169sjshady0169Տարի առաջ
  • Taken blockers need a cooldown on abilities, they use them more than their guns. Also: dont give an invader X-ray AND power AND a oversheild. Seriously i cant beat a Rocket launcher with a primary in a normal fight but they get an oversheild too?

    Nifty_BiscuitNifty_BiscuitՏարի առաջ
  • I don't think I know anyone who plays gambit for the sake of it.

    OzzOzzՏարի առաջ
  • Slayerage: Invaders are too powerful Also Slayerage: Invaders aren't invading enough lol

    KitMellowKitMellowՏարի առաջ
  • This is wrong on so many levels. It makes a huge fun to play gambit. And I've had close runs multiple times. Also fix your shitty volume levels. Intro: 100%, you speaking: 10%, your audio playback: 100%

    User 101User 101Տարի առաջ
  • I quit D2 for a period (during the shitty Drifter DLC). The game mode is at best "meh", and like you are stating, insanely imbalanced. Instead of tending to this dead game mode, they should add more single player activities and focus on PvP. Might not be a popular opinion for some, but I honestly could not give one shit about Gambit and the sooner it dies the better

    IamMattDamonIamMattDamonՏարի առաջ
  • Personally i'd rather have a 'speed bump' than a ' ive melted the primvela in 5 seconds, trolololol.'

    Sara OakheartSara OakheartՏարի առաջ
  • I laughed so hard at 13:19

    VPSantiagoVPSantiagoՏարի առաջ
  • I completely agree with this. I’ve been grinding for 21% Delirium and trust me, I have no reason to play this mode after I get that weapon. Invaders have too much of an advantage and everyone on your team wants to be an invader so they wait by the portal. This mode needs a huge re-work.

    Stevo EvoStevo EvoՏարի առաջ
  • I feel like if I out-maneuver an invader, don’t miss my shots, I should be able to take him down. Instead, he turns around and melts me with hammerhead in .03 seconds.

    Jason GoodJason GoodՏարի առաջ
  • i've come back from 0 mote verses 90

    mbrgamingmbrgamingՏարի առաջ
  • Reaper is the only set I’ll play if I’m not invading. Only because you can spam grenades & melt every powerful enemy. The other sets are pointless when playing vs an average invader. All it takes is a golden gun hunter with an invader set & kills are guaranteed

    Wildcat 8Wildcat 8Տարի առաջ
  • Talks about “cheesy” izanagi’s burden kills as he’s using one of the biggest crutch pvp weapons in the game.

    Trysten HemmahTrysten HemmahՏարի առաջ
  • How to fix Gambit in 2 easy steps: 1. delete gambit 2. forget this garbage even existed

    MrDeothorMrDeothorՏարի առաջ
  • Only thinh i dont like about gambit is invaders with truth

    NokkiNokkiՏարի առաջ
  • Gambit isn't that difficult. The playerbase makes it difficult. I'm looking at you nerds constantly waiting to reach 15 motes before you bank. Absolute clowns. Invading adds a nice dynamic and it pits 1 against 4. If your team gets wiped then all I can say is farm out get better and get even. Sentry : Needs some serious work. It should be geared more towards taking down taken / invaders to make the role stand out more. Collectors : Are a nice touch but also need an adjustment. Perhaps complete invisibility with a full set to keep invaders guessing where the big 20 blocker boi is at. Reapers : Increased dps per major mob / boss mob (not the primevals) can assist with sentries on the bank against large blockers. Frankly Gambit Prime is the better one imo. More mechanics / roles were made amongst other things. Heavy ammo is nice to have but doesn't always win you the fight. I've wiped teams as an invader and lost due to garbage team mates.

    AlthanashAlthanashՏարի առաջ
  • Fuck gambit never played it never will looks trash

    visceralvisceralՏարի առաջ
  • ur intro is way too fucking loud

    CloxygenCloxygenՏարի առաջ
  • 4:15

    ptero93ptero93Տարի առաջ
  • Invasion, and massive ammo starvation, ruins the whole thing imo... being frustrated ( habitually ) is not fun, nor immersive. Edit - my biggest gripe as well is ppl not picking up motes!! It’s disgusting how many people don’t! Pick up yer damn motes!

    MadMike772MadMike772Տարի առաջ
  • Is gambit finished lol? The short answer is NO 😆😆

    RandyMarsh's GamingPitStopRandyMarsh's GamingPitStopՏարի առաջ
  • Remove the wallhack of the invader, far too op

    ssportugalssportugalՏարի առաջ
  • I rarely play Gambit (and never play Prime), but when I do, every match is usually DOMINATED by the team who has the 'sweatiest' PvP-er on their team. I once had a match where my team (a 4-stack...) had summoned our Primevil while the other team had only about 10 motes banked. During that Primevil fight we were invaded AT LEAST 8 times! The invader would get between 2 and 4 kills every invasion (one-shots w/Sleeper..) and we ended up losing the round, despite being 'in control' for most of it. (The rest of his team seemed fairly useless and lost motes constantly. They literally only won because he stopped us from winning for so long!) Nowadays, those matches seem to happen regularly. I've also had rounds drag on for AGES becuase both teams had a good PvP-er, and they kept invading and resetting the other teams progress. It's frustrating and boring! I'd like to see Bungie experiment with a mode of Gambit where each team can only invade ONCE per round. That would add a huge strategic element to Gambit of 'when is the best moment to invade'? Do you go in early to try to kill people before they can bank motes, slowing them down, or do you wait until the boss fight to go in so you can regen health on the opponents Primevil? (It puts me in mind of that drag racing scene in the first Fast and Furious movie, when he uses his NOS too early...."too soon, junior") Sure, you could get trolled by that mechanic (a random on your team goes in asap and get killed, wasting your one and only invade), but at least you know you'll only have to worry about the enemy invader once. I think it would make invasions a lot more tense, because it's like your one and only 'power-play'. When invasions happen, the whole team will likely focus on the invader to try and nullify the threat quickly, potentially making it harder for the invader when it's a 4v1 situation. Also, I've always felt that Destiny needs more week-long events like Iron Banner and SRL, so I wouldn't even mind if they removed Gambit Prime from the game and re-worked it into some kind of week-long event like Iron Banner? It could be a way of keeping a version of Prime in the game without clogging things up, and it might make it more palettable if it was only here once every 4-5 weeks (Also, bring back SRL too lol)

    Peter BadgerPeter BadgerՏարի առաջ
  • Gambit prime is more popular precisely because its a disgustingly unbalanced mess, one good invade and match is over. Normal Gambit only needed some subtle tweaking to correct its flaws.

    atpbxatpbxՏարի առաջ
  • I shudder at the thought of Gambit Prime becoming the "one true" Gambit mode. Regular Gambit already is annoying, but Prime is pure cancer. That mode makes me rage harder than Dark Souls, Bloodborne or Sekiro ever did because of how cheap Invasions are. Go back to the drawing board, Bungie.

    Incog2k6Incog2k6Տարի առաջ
  • I don't like gambit prime. I see it as a chore I have to do for objectives and bounties and you have explained perfectly everything I think is wrong with it. I completed one set, the sentry. I avoided the collector because I don't want to be a bigger target for invaders and I hoped instead to counter them and help my team better, clean blockers, as I'm always the only one doing so. But it's useless and I won't grind for another set. Gambit, in general, is too long of a game mode with too many flaws. And fuck the Goblin shields especially.

    NerovirNerovirՏարի առաջ
  • I've played gambit during the first iterations and it was pretty fun, I lean more towars pvp due to my solo nature. But with gambit prime and issues with the sandbox. I don't see myself toughing gambit again. There needs to be a good amount of changes to both regular gambit and prime. In my opinion should've made the prime armor let you be able to choose a role in prime and once that role is taken the others can't have that role (similar to team based games like overwatch and seige) forcing each player to pick different roles and giving each role perks to better enjoy playing those roles even if they weren't able to get the role they wanted to play. The invader role does need some rebalancing, and the other 3 need some oomph to give them more a chance. I do also agree that the prime evil fights in prime are extremely lack luster compared to regular gambit which have some variation. Would love to see some unique mechanics to the current line of bosses to add in that extra challenge so not every end of gambit is the same.

    Magicsword89Magicsword89Տարի առաջ
  • Hit the nail on so many heads in this video, you may as well be a Sunbreaker. Gambit is an incredible concept and I love the classic mode, but it's soooooooooo long, but Prime has so many issues...

    SlyCooperFan1SlyCooperFan1Տարի առաջ
  • This biggest issue is that this game is just not balanced for pvp period you have shotty hitboxes a fucking radar in 2019 which just dumbs down the gameplay

    Playerz714Playerz714Տարի առաջ
  • I love gambit I mean got da whole fuckin hunter im goin for the warlock one next and the weapons I got my shot gun at masterwork but I’m not exactly good at it cause I’m a new light player the point is I love gambit I raise the flag for gambit even gambit prime

    Communist BirdCommunist BirdՏարի առաջ
  • It's so awesome that your opinion, is also 100% of everyone else's... oh wait. no it's not.. stfu. Because you assume to play gambit one way does not mean the rest do and it certainly does not mean yours is the best way. Go back to crucible you entitled millennial soy boy. Down vote for being a fucking 98lb douche-bag punk.

    Ian SkinnerIan SkinnerՏարի առաջ
  • Heavy ammo? Bruh. I hate it when a blueberry snags it and they don't invade. Then says why you don't invade.

    RKCRKCՏարի առաջ
  • cool... so im NOT the only one who still uses Nation Of Beast!

    Kage KunKage KunՏարի առաջ
  • Say what you will I actually still enjoy gambit

    Wander _mehWander _mehՏարի առաջ
  • Get rid of Prime, it’s not balanced for anyone new coming in. If they want to capitalize Prime then have ranked be prime and in ranked be a mixture of prime and normal gambit.

    Cole ViloriaCole ViloriaՏարի առաջ
  • You should also add " If Invader is eliminated, all Blockers disappear "

    Mike ComanMike ComanՏարի առաջ
  • Invaders need a nerf and risk to invaders. It is insane and impossible to counter truth spam

    Texas RedTexas RedՏարի առաջ
  • hey everyone that's me @ 3:00 that killed his team lol

    Pd_FallacyPd_FallacyՏարի առաջ
  • I actually like the siphoning mechanic, but it does need to be nerfed. Maybe start & stop siphoning through a new mechanic, or at least make it require 3 blockers? And definitely slow it down a bit. As for the armor, I think acquisition could've been done better (though don't know how I would change it) and the perks definitely need a major overhaul, maybe only 3 roles? But I do like having them. Last but also most important: normal gambit requires 2 or 3 rounds to finish, which sucks. It feels like playing 2-3 whole matches just to get 1 set of rewards. It takes entirely too long, especially if neither team is doing well (but also not failing miserably).

    David WeeksDavid WeeksՏարի առաջ
  • The devs need to watch this tbh

    Roar 475Roar 475Տարի առաջ
  • nailed it

    Shwifty ShwansonShwifty ShwansonՏարի առաջ
  • I kinda still love gambit.. especially gambit prime

    Weed LibraryWeed LibraryՏարի առաջ
  • No one wants to run 2-3 rounds of gambit per match. That's why everyone prefers Prime. But there's a balancing issue not only with roles, but with the tankyness and damage of enemies.

    InDominusInDominusՏարի առաջ
  • The problem with gambit: Truth

    Feldûsh GigglesFeldûsh GigglesՏարի առաջ
  • Agree , gambit prime Is terrible. In my opinion they could just get rid of it and give the rewards in regular gambit . Save the development time and make most gambit players happy .

    mcclendon1981mcclendon1981Տարի առաջ
  • Me with a Bow, i constantly snipe NPC's and keep the bank secure. (Its suprising how precise i am with a Bow compared to a Gun. I actualy hit 90% of the time, unlike a gun where i miss 90% of the time)

    TechiTechiՏարի առաջ
  • I hate gambit prime. Destroys my already tight vault space with all those 9 armor sets, requires pointless grind for armor that is completely useless other than for GP. Matches are more boring than regular gambit to me because once you start losing you're locked up in an activity where no matter what you do you will lose (this is much more likely if you didn't grind for the sets), feels like a waste of time - at least in regular gambit you can always come back after loss. Plus the annoying boss fight. I'd pick regular gambit over GP any time. I think they nailed it with regular gambit when they made 3rd phase boss only. It was the only problem with the mode really.

    velfadvelfadՏարի առաջ
  • The problem with Gambit: Gambit

    iDaCarrotiDaCarrotՏարի առաջ
  • I'm new with the move to Steam and I was already feeling the shortcomings of Prime. How is Bungie deciding which version wins this little contest? I hope it's not play statistics, because I can't not play Prime for the bounty efficiency-why play regular Gambit when you can only redeem half the bounties in the same amount of time?

    NovaNovaՏարի առաջ
  • Agreed. I'm tired of trying to ground out notes to have invaders make me their bitch. I've lost 6 in a row just getting spanked.

    Nicholas BakerNicholas BakerՏարի առաջ
  • gambit was fun for like the first week it was out...that's it.

    MudigMudigՏարի առաջ
  • I have found most of the complaints about gambit prime tend to be from Edgelords who think the entire point of Gambit and (prime) are to camp the invasion portal and ignore everything else. Don't get me wrong, a great invader can be a huge boon. However, invading is about 30% of the match, and yet, I am regularly seeing hunters camp the portal and just sniping grunts until the portal opens and they are gone, soon to be returned with 1 or 2 kills, rarely 4. In matches where the group nearly ignores invading and concentrates on sending multiple blockers and getting the primeval up ASAP, the match ends in victory with 2-6 minutes left in the match. Invasion heavy groups tend to end after time runs out. Bungie needs to just create a new Gambit : Gambit Edgelord where one team has 6 PvE guardians trying to bank motes to summon a Primevil and the other team has 2 edgelords who have to bank 10 motes to open the invasion portal and upon doing so, Both edgelords can invade. The PvE team wins if they kill the primevil in under 15 minutes and the Edgelord team wins if they stop the PvE team from doing so. That way Edgelords don't need to cry. Sarcasm, it's hard to detect online, but it rhymes with J/K

    IMRavnosIMRavnosՏարի առաջ
  • Welcome to Gambit, good luck finding a team that's not suck-ass while going against a four stack clan.

    The Godly JohnsonThe Godly JohnsonՏարի առաջ
  • It's a solid 'no' from me. I'm a Gambit machine. My favorite mode(s) in the entire game. Gambit Prime is fine, but regular Gambit is the cat's meow (again, my opinion)!

    Ian RottenIan RottenՏարի առաջ
    • Ian Rotten I totally agree. I love gambit. They are trying to make it more like the. Crucible. I suck at the crucible, where Gambit I can actually play and have fun.

      Alexander MekeelAlexander MekeelՏարի առաջ
  • What about a role queue? I know Destiny is all about "play how you want", but some games just kinda need something like that. I feel that if the mode is so focused on a balanced team/roles, they should do a number of things- rework sets and their functions, and allow people to choose a role and maybe even require they wear a couple pieces of role gear (which would require them reworking where you get the armor, getting it in Prime and then having to go to Reckoning is just dumb as hell). Steal the old OW idea of only allowing two of a character, or even the new idea of balanced team composition.

    alan wake apologistalan wake apologistՏարի առաջ
  • Gambit has been dead since Season Of The Driffter. A season which should have improved the game mode made it unbearable to play.. I refuse to touch the mode now, which sucks because im missing out on each season title by not playing it. It is by far the worst mode Ive played in a shooter tho....

  • Why do I hate Gambit in general? Invaders. 400% HP? Fuck you too. Spam every 30 seconds? Fuck you too. Can get Truth ammo before jumping in every 30 seconds? Fuck you too. I've literally been killed by the invader, spawned back in, ran 50 feet and got killed again by the same invader. It really makes me mad that they compared this game mode to PoE but with PVP. It's nothing like PoE, Gambit is just PvP with ads.

    Chaos ClareonChaos ClareonՏարի առաջ
  • I like Gambit. It was okay. Gambit Prime sucks IMO. A big reason why I barely played "Season of the Drifter." Didn't really enjoy Gambit Prime or Reckoning.

    Travis MarionTravis MarionՏարի առաջ
  • Gambit prime is competitive orientated so yes you will find it hard if you solo queue like a casual

    ZombieSlayah64 psnZombieSlayah64 psnՏարի առաջ
  • Long story short. Encouraging cooperation and coordination as the best way to win in a competitive team mode is apparently bad. Got it bro. Also LOVE how you purposely left out the sentry's perks made for hunting down invaders just to make a point you don't actually have.

    Wolfs0nWolfs0nՏարի առաջ
    • @Ikori If you go into to Gambit prime on your own with Randos expecting to win that's YOUR mistake.

      Wolfs0nWolfs0nՏարի առաջ
    • @Ikori I assume you are talking about Destiny? I just find it funny that more people talking in Overwatch than in destiny idk why people are like that with this game

      Playerz714Playerz714Տարի առաջ
    • @Playerz714 i have never ever ever seen a single person in chat or using mic, it's like im playing with bots and i have to say it's pretty infuriating

      IkoriIkoriՏարի առաջ
    • @Ikori I find it insane how casual this game is and how no one uses a mic but in same casual game like Overwatch there is a x100 amount chance of finding people with mics

      Playerz714Playerz714Տարի առաջ
    • ye ok man, just let me cooperate and coordinate with 3 other strangers and try to win against a 4 stack enemy team. Oh also, you don't have to be intellectually dishonest in your arguments just because you like gambit prime, to each their own yknow

      IkoriIkoriՏարի առաջ
  • Funny because I actually hate gambit prime it sucks ass compared to regular gambit.

    Ransom MessengerRansom MessengerՏարի առաջ
  • The collector perjs should be 1) invisible to "invader vision" 2) able to bank even when locked, 3) summon a (worthwhile) giant blocker.

    Dream146Dream146Տարի առաջ
  • I rather play gambit prime just because when I do get bad teammates (85-90% of the time). At least it’s only 1 round lol

    uhjeditrixteruhjeditrixterՏարի առաջ
  • Whew child you suck at sniping 😂🤣

    EZ Shadow 312EZ Shadow 312Տարի առաջ
  • I only play Gambit for it's badass armor set and 21%. That's it lmao

    jellybean rockjellybean rockՏարի առաջ
  • I think gambit prime is better because the matches go faster so I can to play less gambit.

    RegertsRegertsՏարի առաջ
  • Idk why people say that gambit is bad. It's really fun in my opinion. Invasions are that annoying. The key to beating invaders is the same with beating someone with own, kill them first. Although gambit prime is raw shit

    sunrizete5sunrizete5Տարի առաջ
  • They also need to remove the taken knight boss. Large blockers are already broken with the fire they spray all over the floor, but having a boss that literaly doesn't let you stand in the DPS zone without taking damage and flinch is stupid.

  • Collectors need to be the main people to gather, since if they can get a 20 blocker and get that ogre in with maybe a captain as support, it can be really powerful against the other players. Invaders need to keep their timing in mind when they invade. If a invader uses the portal as soon as it's up, they can potentially waste a good opportunity. An example of ample time to invade is about a minute after the prime evil appears, at this point the other side is about to DPS or they're waiting to see if you invade and have the last envoy ready. A good invader will try to observe what they're doing before just jumping in, unless the DPS has started then the invader is under a lot of pressure. Sentry needs to bounce between helping the collector clear, clearing the bank and dealing with invaders. If a sentry is the first to fall, it's usually bad news for the collectors. Reaper is simple, just help clear adds and pick up spare motes that the collector hasn't picked up. While what is written here is more directed towards the perfect 4, people "play" these roles even without their armour. For example, if the game starts and you see a guy with 13 motes, don't pick up the other two, try to get him to grab the motes

    Jeramy NeeleyJeramy NeeleyՏարի առաջ
    • The main purpose of this is to address how people see invader, he isn't the most important member nor is sentry, everyone has a role and it's your job to fill in whats missing. playing random gambit prime in solo que is playing player madlib, you need to fill in what's blank. Just because you're wearing reaper armour doesn't mean someone else needs to stop a blocker. Blockers exist the way they do in gambit prime to force pressure and make the players move, the invader needs to take advantage of that situation and the sentry needs to be ready to deal with the invader while the collector goes into hiding. reaper can usually pull away from clearing to help the bank if it gets bombed. If a collector can drop a 15 or a 20 if they have the perk, it goes a long way, especially at the end. A knight can do a lot of damage to people standing the same place, or standing in the pool of light. Captains are pretty annoying as well. Just Never place a goblin. Goblins are too weak currently to be worth the motes and time.

      Jeramy NeeleyJeramy NeeleyՏարի առաջ
  • I, for one, enjoy playing Sentry, and watching the bank. I'm not the best at holding on to motes, as such, I still feel like I'm contributing reasonably to my team as a bank guard.

    Frosty WolfeeFrosty WolfeeՏարի առաջ
  • they should just remove invasion

    Lynard SkynardLynard SkynardՏարի առաջ
  • I've hated the fuck out of gambit. I'd much prefer it to just be two teams racing to beat the boss not the lame half PvP dogshit because that just creates a have to have meta weapons or get fucked senario.

    Mitch ConnerMitch ConnerՏարի առաջ
  • Problem with gambit. Truth/Colony, snipers, and super always dominating invasion. It gets old, but I'm gonna keep doing it because it's so effective :/

    Estrogen FuryEstrogen FuryՏարի առաջ
  • Gambit should have a variant that is purely pve (much like PoE) (so should crucible imo). I personally hate pvp and don’t feel that it has a place in the overall narrative of destiny, but I also don’t think it should be removed just that there should be pve alternatives to pvp (for a casual like myself) for instance PVE Rumble where you have to defeat let’s say 50 of 3 different enemy types, Clash where you just have to mow through a certain number let’s say 300-1000. As far as valor, glory, and infamy scoring, better performance would still mean extra points but at a slower rate than pvp.

    Sunsinger WarlockSunsinger WarlockՏարի առաջ